David Heinemeier Hansson (aka DHH) is a legendary programmer, creator of Ruby on Rails, co-owner & CTO of 37signals that created Basecamp, HEY, & ONCE, and is a NYT-best-selling author (with Jason Fried) of 4 books: REWORK, REMOTE, Getting Real, and It Doesn't Have To Be Crazy At Work. He is also a race car driver, including a class-winning performance at the 24 hour Le Mans race. Thank you for listening ❤ Check out our sponsors: See below for timestamps, transcript, and to give feedback, submit questions, contact Lex, etc. *Transcript:* *CONTACT LEX:* *Feedback* - give feedback to Lex: *AMA* - submit questions, videos or call-in: *Hiring* - join our team: *Other* - other ways to get in touch: *EPISODE LINKS:* DHH's X: DHH's Website: Ruby on Rails: 37signals: DHH's books: Rework: Remote: It Doesn't Have to Be Crazy at Work: Getting Real: *SPONSORS:* To support this podcast, check out our sponsors & get discounts: *UPLIFT Desk:* Standing desks and office ergonomics. Go to *Lindy:* No-code AI agent builder. Go to *LMNT:* Zero-sugar electrolyte drink mix. Go to *Shopify:* Sell stuff online. Go to *NetSuite:* Business management software. Go to *OUTLINE:* 0:00 - Episode highlight 1:21 - Introduction 2:32 - Programming - early days 19:57 - JavaScript 30:16 - Google Chrome and DOJ 38:03 - Ruby programming language 45:14 - Beautiful code 1:03:15 - Metaprogramming 1:06:36 - Dynamic typing 1:13:55 - Scaling 1:26:47 - Future of programming 1:44:18 - Future of AI 1:50:13 - Vibe coding 1:58:45 - Rails manifesto: Principles of a great programming language 2:23:11 - Why managers are useless 2:32:32 - Small teams 2:38:39 - Jeff Bezos 2:53:57 - Why meetings are toxic 3:01:43 - Case against retirement 3:09:00 - Hard work 3:14:38 - Why we left the cloud 3:17:48 - AWS 3:27:07 - Owning your own servers 3:33:19 - Elon Musk 3:43:01 - Apple 3:54:48 - Tim Sweeney 4:06:22 - Fatherhood 4:32:04 - Racing 4:59:08 - Cars 5:04:26 - Programming setup 5:19:35 - Programming language for beginners 5:32:53 - Open source 5:41:46 - WordPress drama 5:53:03 - Money and happiness 6:01:56 - Hope *PODCAST LINKS:* - Podcast Website: - Apple Podcasts: - Spotify: - RSS: - Podcast Playlist: - Clips Channel: *SOCIAL LINKS:* - X: - Instagram: - TikTok: @lexfridman - LinkedIn: - Facebook: - Patreon: - Telegram: - Reddit: