The Republican party under Trump has spent the past weeks ripping up the old rule book on trade as they implement tariffs, sending global markets into a frenzy. But is there any method in Trump’s apparent madness? Joining Aaron Bastani for the second time on Downstream is Marxist philosopher and cultural theorist Slavoj Žižek. Their wide-ranging conversation addresses the current moment: with an in-depth discussion of US trade policy, while also taking in Kafka, camels, and fully automated luxury communism. Slavoj’s new book Zero Point, is out now (Bloomsbury) and available here: Support our work: