Dario Amodei is the CEO of Anthropic. He joins Big Technology Podcast for a raw, unfiltered conversation about AI's potential, its stakes, and the source of his outspokenness. The interview is part of a major Big Technology profile about Amodei, ft. interviews with more than two dozen of his colleagues, friends, and critics. You can read that story for free here: We also cover Mark Zuckerberg's AI talent spending spree, Amodei's rivalry with OpenAI, his response to NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang's criticism, the state of the AI scaling laws, and whether there's a risk we'll lose control of the technology. Tune in for a candid, emotional, and high energy conversation with one of the leaders driving the AI wave today. --- Audio and Video by Matt Breetzke of Fireside Visuals: --- Enjoying Big Technology Podcast? Please rate us five stars ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ in your podcast app of choice. Want a discount for Big Technology on Substack + Discord? Here’s 25% off for the first year: Questions? Feedback? Write to: bigtechnologypodcast@ Chapters 3:33 AGI timelines and the exponential case 9:49 Scaling update: diminishing returns, continual learning, new techniques 16:47 Scale & competition: resources, talent wars 20:10 Business model and revenue ramp 27:26 Economics: pricing changes, inference costs & profitability 36:29 Open source vs. hosted frontier models 40:10 Personal background: SF, family, father’s illness 54:15 Governance & safety: “race to the top” and the control debate