What if the future of work isn’t about technology at all — but about unlocking more humanity in each other? Kathleen Hogan — Chief Strategy and Transformation Officer at Microsoft — sits down with Dr. Michael Gervais on Finding Mastery to share what she’s learned about leading one of the world’s largest companies through a culture transformation rooted in empathy and growth mindset. From helping shift Microsoft from a “know-it-all” to a “learn-it-all” culture to navigating personal challenges like cancer and recovery, Kathleen opens up about the deep work of becoming a more grounded, purpose-driven leader. In this episode, you’ll learn: -How to lead through transformation with empathy and authenticity -Why vulnerability builds trust inside teams and organizations -The mindset shift that unlocked Microsoft’s cultural evolution -What it means to balance humanity and performance in leadership -How AI can help expand — not diminish — human potential CHAPTERS: 0:00 Kathleen Hogan Introduction 10:01 Choosing family over achievement — her grandfather, regret, and values 13:59 Facing cancer, letting go of performance-based identity 17:01 From know-it-all to learn-it-all — redefining leadership and culture 25:03 Courage, fear, and growth mindset in executive leadership 29:13 Purpose, empowerment, and why optimism is a leadership skill 52:53 AI, fear, jobs, and the future of human work 💥 Support our sponsors and get exclusive discounts: 📬 Sign up for the Finding Mastery newsletter to get weekly insights from Dr. Michael Gervais: 🧠 Download Dr. Mike’s Morning Mindset Routine: 🔔 Like and Subscribe to @findingmastery for weekly insights from top performers #FindingMastery #KathleenHogan #Leadership #GrowthMindset #Microsoft #FutureOfWork #Empathy #Purpose #DrMichaelGervais #CultureTransformation #satyanadella #leadership